An online chat I had with a good friend a few months ago really made me think about how I view the world as a skeptic. I think that many people don’t draw a distinction between skepticism and cynicism, and often assume both mindsets are one and the same; particularly when an individual happens to be a snarky skeptic, like myself.
The discourse soon became a discussion about verification and belief. It all started with a discussion of the ubiquitous Jenny McCarthy and her genuinely dangerous anti-vaccination notions.
8:57amTrent
speaking of bad “science:” [The "Jenny McCarthy Body Count" Video]
8:59amTrent
of course it never occurred to Ms McCarthy that her child was misdiagnosed, and she simply passed on the “bimbo” gene.
9:00amCarrie
of course, there isn’t any evidence presented in that video that actually proves that the increase in vaccine preventable illnesses is actually a direct result of her book or appearance on Oprah…
she may be deluded, but the science geeks can’t have it both ways
even if they’re RIGHT that she’s a complete idiot
or am i being too much of a freethinker here?
9:03amTrent
since they’re hanging it on her, it would have been nice if they could get their hands on figures for how many of those figures were associated with individuals choosing not to vaccinate as a result of of the anti-vaxxers.
but that’s not easily done…
9:03amCarrie
and the fun part is just pointing out that she’s an idiot, i know
9:04amTrent
not just an idiot, but an idiot promoting a delusion with dangerous consequences.
What Jenny McCarthy is espousing is a belief, not a verifiable fact. But what does that distinction mean?
9:04amCarrie
i guess i’m saying that we all tend to agree without question when it comes to information that matches what is already a part of our “world view”
i’ve been trying the experiment of not having a “world view” lately, and it’s pretty fascinating how attached everyone seems to their own version of the universe
9:07amTrent
belief is intensely personal.
9:07amCarrie
not that i’m not attached to my own view, but i’m trying to be aware of mine — hence noticing the lack of scientific evidence for jenny mccarthy’s ‘body count’ while stating it as a fact
Without evidence, a notion is, by definition, unverifiable. That does not mean that it is false, it means that we cannot say whether it is true or false, because there is no evidence supporting either conclusion.
In this Venn diagram, what is verifiable would be within the blue circle and what is real is within the green circle.
So in this case, if it were the case that there were no evidence either way, Jenny McCarthy’s notions could either be real or unreal, but they would be unverifiable, and lay outside the Blue Circle of Verifiability.
In Ms. McCarthy’s particular case however, her notion that vaccines cause autism is verifiably false.
Recently the seminal medical journal article supporting the anti-vaxxers was retracted. Even prior to this removal of the last foundation for their argument, a lack of anything other than anecdotal evidence left the anti-vaxxers notions untenable.
In the second Venn diagram, the distinction between what is verifiably real and what is verifiably false can be seen. The anti-vaxxers notions of a connection between vaccinations and autism lay squarely in the realm of the false, based upon a preponderance of evidence that shows that no such connection exists.
Note that my diagram lists the areas of the verifiable as “provisionally” true and “provisionally” false. Why is that?
And what implications does that hold for beliefs in general? Do I have beliefs? And how do I address them?
9:13amTrent
i am rational about it. except in very rigorously defined systems, such as mathematics, it is not possible to prove via deductive logic that something does not exist.
if compelling evidence could be presented, i’d be open to it.
9:14amCarrie
the only compelling evidence that truly exists for anyone in many cases is personal experience – that fact has been true for all of human history
9:15amTrent
anecdotal experience makes for poor evidence. that’s why science avoids it.
9:17amCarrie
but your belief is in the scientific method? and i’m not being snarky, it’s a serious question
9:19amTrent
this is similar to the argument from believers in the paranormal, that “belief” in the “scientific method” is somehow flawed because it doesn’t support their beliefs.
the scientific method isn’t a belief. belief is something that an individual chooses in the absence of or in the face of evidence. i simply seek proof before provisionally accepting a concept. that acceptance is always open to dismissal if further evidence warrants that. that is what the scientific method is.
9:25amCarrie
i didn’t use the argument that the scientific method is flawed, just tried to point out that you do have an opinion on what type of evidence is compelling to you…
9:25amTrent
yes, verifiable evidence.
9:26amCarrie
ah, the rub is that the evidence of the existence of anything ‘supernatural’ (even in the very loosest sense) is completely verifiable, but only by personal experience
now should i assume that since other folks’ personal experience is not compelling to you, that you assume your own wouldn’t be either?
9:28amTrent
while an individual may have a personal experience, and that experience may be genuinely “supernatural” in nature, if i can’t verfy it independently and objectively, i am unwilling to accept it as evidence. at the same time, i recognize that it is entirely possible that such an experience is “real.” it is simply that i am unable to verify it.
there is a distinction between verifiable and “true” or “real.” verifiable only encompasses those things that can be verified – it does not wholly encompas reality.
9:30amCarrie
so you are saying that even your own personal experience wouldn’t qualify as “verifiable” to you, no matter how “real” that 900 foot jesus looks standing in your yard? lol
9:33amTrent
i am. i could be hallucinating, or simply mistaken, or any other number of potential causes that can color our perceptions and make them differ from what others may perceive or measure. or it could be real. but if i can’t verify it somehow, i would have to question what i had seen.
9:35amCarrie
so do you just ignore what is ‘real’ in favor of what is ‘verifiable’, or do you ever ponder the question of what is outside that ‘verifiable’ circle in the venn diagram of your own personal universe?
9:38amTrent
i accept that not all of what is real may be verifiable, but i do not accept something unverifiable as real. i understand that there is a “gray area” outside of the verifiable. things that lay in that area i accept as neither “true” nor “false” – and if someone claims that such a thing is “true” or “false” i accept that they are not making that statement from a standpoint of critical thinking.
Being in a position of needing to put my understanding into words was a valuable experience, and I thank Carrie for pushing my buttons and making me think.